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It’s been an interesting couple of days dealing with Toyota’s service policies and the failure of a replacement part 12 months and 26 days after it was installed by an authorized dealer.

Back story: in June 2010, the liftgate handle cracked while trying to open the back. The internal workings of this part are made of plastic. But as it had lasted 11 years, we really couldn’t complain. A few days and a couple hundred dollars later, and the part was replaced and everything worked great.

Fast forward to July 26, 2011. While opening the liftgate, I heard that familiar *snap* of the mechanism. No problem, as I’m sure that the Toyota dealership (Hiland Toyota Scion in Moline, Illinois) would honor their work and take care of it. In fact, they wouldn’t. They cited the 12 month/12,000 warranty, and stated they HAD to charge for the repair (full price, full labor, of course). As I needed a working liftgate, I grudgingly paid it.

Later that evening, I contacted the service department of Hiland, as well as Toyota USA, with the following:
Today, the handle assembly on my back hatch broke internally, rendering it unable to open. This part was replaced 12 months and 26 days ago. The original part lasted 11 years, while the replacement part lasted not quite 13 months.

I was told by the service department that the part could not be covered under warranty due to both time and mileage since the previous replacement (6/30/2010). While I understand the need for rules and policies, I am frankly offended by the inability of the service staff to view this as a HUMAN issue. This is not a part that can be unusually stressed or abused. If it broke after 13 months, it is because either the part or the installation were substandard.

I own a service business, so I understand the need to manage liability. But I also understand that sometimes, you simply take care of the customer. We do it all the time. Sometimes it costs us to do so. But it’s the decent thing to do. I do not know if the inability to be decent lies with Hiland Toyota’s service department, or with Toyota policy. Frankly, I do not care. What I do know is that I have paid nearly $200 TWICE for a plastic part and installation in the past 13 months.

What I want is to not have to pay for this repair a second time. I hope that Toyota can do something about this. If you do, I’ll certainly be thankful. If not, I’ll have to rethink my attitudes toward the Toyota brand, as it seems you are unwilling or unable to stand by your work.

You have my contact information with this email, and I look forward to hearing from you regarding this issue.

Craig Wiggins

I received a call from the Service Manager at Hiland, who was clearly lacking a grasp of the facts of MY case, and who reiterated the policy. Now mind you, it was less than a month out of warranty on a part that had originally lasted 11 years. He then stated he would get back to me. That was several hours ago.

Now, I have received the following from Toyota USA:
Dear Mr. Wiggins,

Thank you for contacting Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc.

We apologize for the concerns you have experienced with back hatch handle assembly on your 1999 Sienna.

The Toyota Service Part Warranty is in effect for 12 months, regardless of mileage, from the date the part(s) was installed on the vehicle or the remainder of any applicable new vehicle warranty, whichever provides greater coverage (with the exception of batteries).

Your vehicle is currently outside these warranty parameters and we are unable to assist with the cost of this repair.

We appreciate the opportunity to review your request.

Please review our Warranty Coverage FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) regarding the warranty parameters for your vehicle,

Your email has been documented at our National Headquarters under file #1107271362. If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact us,

Tiffany Harris
Toyota Customer Experience

Well Tiffany, as a matter of fact, I am NOT happy with your response. In fact, I’m so UNhappy, that I shall post it on Facebook, Google+, and wherever else I can find so that people I know will know that Toyota is a company more concerned with “policy” than with doing the right thing, and that they do not stand by their “quality” products or workmanship one minute past when they are required to. But no worries Tiffany, you probably won’t need to deal with me in the future, as Toyota will be dropped from consideration of my future vehicle purchases.

As for you all, friends and family, feel free to do what you will with this information, but should you decide to depend on the quality of the Toyota brand, or on their willingness to stand behind their products, be forewarned: your trust may be misplaced.


UPDATE 8/1/2011

Received a call from Jim Bullock, the Service Manager at Hiland Toyota today. Odd, I didn’t get the promised call from Dawn Wheelbarger, the Customer Relations Manager. Regardless, it seems someone HAS found the money to pay for the part. I’m still waiting to see if that includes the labor.

But this really hasn’t changed my opinion of Toyota’s, or at least Hiland Toyota’s application of company policies. Ultimately, the only reason I’m getting any relief is because I’ve made a bit of an embarrassing stink online about the whole situation. I see no indication from my most recent interactions that the same thing would not happen again- to me or to some other person.  The issue is  still one of humanity.  Let me offer a contrasting story that occurred withing 24 hours of my Hiland Toyota encounter.

During our drive out to the Midwest, the van started making rumbles from underneath. It turns out that the resonator had become disconnected from the exhaust pipe. These things happen.  I took it to the Midas shop in Champaign, Illinois. The manager was professional, courteous, and decent. He took me out into the shop to visually verify the exact problem. He didn’t have the part that day, but promised to have it by 8:00 the next morning. Sure enough, I returned at the appointed time, and the part was there. The aftermarket part is different from the OEM part, and some additional installation work was required, as well as additional parts. The addition to the estimate he gave me the day before?  Zero dollars.  It wasn’t the shop’s fault that there was a difference in the part and that the mechanic needed to commit additional parts and labor to finish the job. But it was the decent thing to do to FIX the problem, and not make an additional issue of it. It made a good impression, and I would recommend working with the Midas in Champaign, Illinois.

Both shops are in the auto repair industry. Both were dealing with an out of town, likely single visit customer. Both knew that my problem needed fixed, and that I really couldn’t leave it unfixed. One religiously adhered to policies and procedures, and would have left things that way had I not gotten aggressive. The other did a solid, and has a fan writing about them right now.  Is it really that hard?

Sorry Toyota, your policies STILL suck. But thank you for making them suck just a little less in my case. But if you want me back, some things need to change…



Well, Hiland Toyota finally came through… mostly.  I received a copy of a credit to my card over the weekend. They credited back the part + tax. Of course I was still on the hook for the labor, but that was the smaller portion of the bill.  I’m still not a fan of Hiland, nor of Toyota in general, for reasons already noted above. But for those who’ve kept up with the saga, this is the end of it.

I’m not a psycho. And I’m pretty sure I could find at least one counselor or even an MD who would agree with that assessment. But wow, I’ve sure been on a bout of crazy the last few days.

My poor dead Benz

It all started back on May 10th. I crashed my beloved (well, okay it was more a love/hate thing) Benz into the back of a sizable truck. The car took my beating, and left me with only a slightly sore nose from the airbag. They sure don’t build them like that any more.

My history with this car is a bit sordid- it began its time in my life with a couple thousand in “must have” repairs, including an unfortunate incident where the injector pump stopped working with the car was at the local Mercedes dealership for service. If you’ve ever owned an older German auto, you know they’re rock solid when they work, but quite pricey when they need fixed. Hence the love/hate thing.

But I cracked it up good. No texting while driving for me. No talking with my BFF while cruising down 202. Nope, I was just hungry and distracted. Thankfully, the truck fared much better, and no one was hurt.

A good friend was kind enough to let me drive his truck around for awhile. It’s big, older, a gas hog, and cost me nothing in rent. Good friends are a good thing, and I’m thankful for one who let me use his truck while I scoured craigslist and ebay for a good deal on a replacement vehicle.


But back to crazy…  Last week, I got in touch with a young woman in Easton who was selling this  ’96 Montero. All largely went well with the communications, the test drive, and the money discussions. I put down a deposit, and planned to close the deal by the end of the week.

Now begins the crazy… I picked up a comment made by one of the sellers on Facebook. While not altogether flattering, I probably read WAY more into it than I should have. I started an email thread with them about the issues they raised in the FB comment. I huffed and I puffed. I questioned their integrity and tried to pressure them into a lower price, though the one we agreed to was certainly fair enough. Ultimately, we did the deal, and I drove home with my new Montero.

Shortly after, I discovered a problem- one that will have my new car in the shop this week. Is it possible the seller knew? I think so. But not necessarily. Now mind you, these folks have met my previous concerns with additional work, and even got the car inspected prior to closing the sale- something they didn’t need to do, as the inspection stickers still had a couple weeks on them.

How do I respond? I threaten to report their mechanic shop for failing to do a proper inspection. It would certainly get them investigated. It might even cost them their inspection licence.  Did they gloss over some things? Maybe. But probably no worse than any other shop does- especially when dealing with someone they know and regularly work with.  Could or should they have found this problem? Maybe.

But it’s all about MY attitude- first toward the sellers, then toward their mechanic of all people.  I was plotting ways to ruin their lives and businesses. I was enjoying the idea that I could totally nail them with costs and troubles that would FAR outweigh whatever perceived wrong they might have done to me. Would it make it right for me? Probably not. And that’s the crazy.

See, they may actually BE what they seem to be. Decent, hard working people selling a truck they loved to someone they hope will enjoy it as well. Are they perfect, and completely forthcoming? No, but probably not the scoundrels I’ve imagined in my crazy state. And even if they ARE those scoundrels, it’s not MY vengeance, or even justice to dish out.  Over the past few hours, I’ve been touched (more like head smacked) by the words in Romans 12:19 – New Living Translation (©2007) Dear friends, never take revenge. Leave that to the righteous anger of God. For the Scriptures say, “I will take revenge; I will pay them back,” says the LORD.

If they’re decent, I’ve planned to harm the innocent. If they’re not decent, then my faith tells me to leave the judging to God. Either way, I’ve spent some time in crazy land. And I KNEW IT. I’m not that guy. Or maybe I am. But I don’t WANT to be that guy.

So who is that guy? It’s me. Maybe not the me I want to be. Certainly not the me I ought to be. But it’s me. We all spend some time in crazy. But I think I’m done being there for this episode. For now, I just want to get the car fixed up right, and enjoy my new vehicle. Oh, and I’ll try not to skip lunch and drive hungry down 202 🙂